M's of Montana: collect the whole set

Nov. 19th, 2025 11:03 am
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Tuesday I met my cousin in Butte MT for lunch. It's ecologically bad, but I enjoyed legally driving 80 miles an hour on the interstate. It's so sparsely traveled and well graded that it's completely safe to just do that.

We started by going to the mineral museum at Montana Tech, which was pretty cool. There was a lot of large smoky quartz, which are cool, and obviously they would have a lot of different copper ores. Like every mineral museum they had a giant geode. There must be a lot of them. They're very cool though! There was a cool black light display showing minerals which fluoresce. Then we had lunch at a slightly foofy cafe, which would be more at home in California than Montana.

After lunch we went on a short hike to the M above Montana Tech. The parking lot for this one was higher, so the hike was not as strenuous as the one in Missoula. Turns out there is an M in Bozeman also, and probably another Montana towns, but I'm not actually going to collect the whole set.

Historically, Butte was all about mining, and as a result is now home to one of the largest Superfund sites according to my cousin. We tried to go there, but it turns out that the viewing platform has a fee and it was closed so we couldn't actually get up close and personal. However, we could see it at a distance from the M. It's pretty enormous.

I enjoyed catching up with my cousin and hearing all about what her kids, her grandkids, her sister, and her niece and nephew were all up to, and sharing everything about my kids. I learned, to my pleasure, that my cousin is not a Republican, and has been adjacent to the indivisible movement, having friends who are in it. It's much more of a useful thing to do in Montana than in Massachusetts. In fact, I was surprised at the small number of Trump signs that I saw. But my cousin tells me that Bozeman, where she lives, and Missoula, where I am, are the liberal bastions in Montana. I did see some Trump signs, but only quite a ways outside the city limits.

On the way back to Missoula I stopped at a rest area, which had some educational plaques about the local mountain ranges' geology and some history. And one that was blank. One wonders what woke stuff was there. I wonder if there is a site somewhere that has copies of all of the things that have been removed…


The Butte M
A hillside partly covered with pine looking trees, with some brown grassy patches. Towards the top is a large brown grassy patch with a white capital M displayed prominently. In the foreground you can see some buildings including a tall white church.


The Butte pit
In the foreground, a neighborhood with some houses, streets, cars, trees. Then a bare patch and some more industrialized looking buildings. Behind that is an open pit mine, obviously at least a mile wide. You can see some terracing on the far side and the rocks making up the terraces are colored gray lower down, one strip of white, and reddish on the highest reaches. Finally, towards the top of the photo, there is tree covered mountainside and clouds in the sky.

We are in Missoula

Nov. 17th, 2025 11:34 am
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We dithered about whether we could take the train which would get us to the airport only one hour in advance. We decided to chance it, and in the end it was so smooth. We just breezed through pre-check. Then our flight took off on time, and there was room in the overhead bins for our stuff even though we hadn't paid for early boarding. The next flight was late, so we had an extra hour in Salt Lake City, but that wasn't terrible.

The rental car agencies want you to check-in in advance these days, but that's a really stupid idea, because you have no idea if you are actually going to get there on the right day, given the vagaries of air travel. I did check-in in advance from SLC, but only after the gate agent showed up and started making announcements that made it clear that we were actually going to be getting on that flight (like, the aircraft had arrived.) It does have the advantage that all of the up selling is done online rather than in person, so you can decline more easily.

Our Air B&B is a basement apartment, and it's a little funky because of how they had to shoehorn rooms in between structural supports for the house, but it's okay. After dropping our stuff, we hared off to the local grocery store to lay in supplies.

Sunday we did some outdoor exploring. We hiked to a large letter M that has been placed on the hillside above the University of Montana in Missoula. This trail is extremely well-traveled; we must have passed more than 50 people on the way up and down. They must have 500 people every day. Then we continued on for another (less well-traveled) mile to an old abandoned copper mine, which was kind of cool. You can't go very far in because they have filled it in, and also you kind of have to crawl for some of it. But it was "dark as a dungeon way down in the mine."

Then we wandered around on the university campus for a little bit looking at various historical markers and outdoor art, and had some lunch before our next adventure, which was to go to a natural Hot Springs in Idaho. (Not that far given that we are in Western Montana.) You never know what you're going to actually get when you visit a hot springs that you've only read about online. In this case the directions were slightly confusing at first because we went to the wrong parking lot, but after figuring that out and finding the right parking lot, we were able to walk up to the hot springs which was about a mile of mostly flat walking in the woods. The flora was very different because we had crossed over a mountain pass and were on the other side of it now with different weather, so it was dense pine forest, whereas in Missoula there had been some forested areas, but also a lot of grassy hillsides like you get in California. It had also commenced to rain (which we know about, so we were prepared. Also, we were going to a hot springs. What, we will get wet?)

First we had to find the actual springs. The first place you come upon is right next to a river, and too much of the river was flowing into the pool where the hot water was also flowing, so it was not actually hot. Fortunately someone who was already there gave us a report before we stripped. So we carried on to the next location. This had several different pools which were larger, and not right next to the river, so the only cooling was from the air (and the rain). There were some sites further on but we stopped here.

It was advertised as clothing optional, but when we got there, everybody was wearing swimsuits. Of course, we had not brought them because it was clothing optional. Before stripping, I mentioned this to a random older adult who was nearby, and he commented that he had intended to be naked but his kids had nixed that idea. I guess aging hippies are cool with nudity, but the younger generation is not? We forged ahead by stripping and just climbing in. Maybe some people were embarrassed but nobody mentioned it, and so we just hung out for an hour, and then dried off as best we could with our damp towels, redressed, and headed back to Missoula. It was a little hard to find a good place in the pool that wasn't just lukewarm, but we did find such a place to bask.

On the way back we stopped at a couple of historical markers and read about various explorers and naturalists who had been here in the 1800s. One of the places was a little park which somebody had done a lot of work on and was quite nice. I didn't actually remember in whose name it was, but some diligent Internet research eventually revealed that it is the "Devoto Grove Picnic Area & Trailhead". Recommended if you happen to be driving between Montana and Idaho on Route 12 and want to stop for 20 minutes. (Why would anybody I know be doing that? But you never know.)

At the visitor center at the top of Lolo Pass there were some educational materials about the Nez Perce and their struggle with the United States who was driving them out. This is the story recounted in the Fred Small song "Heart of the Appaloosa". It was interesting that one of the displays, which was about 100 feet from the main display, was all covered up in black plastic. I wonder if it was "too woke for Trump", and so they covered it up. We didn't try to uncover it and find out what it actually had said. I mean, the whole story was about the US doing pretty terrible things, and some of that was in the main display so I'm a little surprised.

Today is the start of Ken's conference, so he has headed off there on foot (it's about a mile), leaving me with an extra day because I'm just going to meet my cousin tomorrow in Butte MT, which is halfway to her house, and on my side of the Continental Divide. Unfortunately, while there seem to be a few interesting things to do in Missoula, they are closed on Monday. Dang. I will have another opportunity on Wednesday morning, and I'm going to go check out one of them before picking Ken up at lunch after the conference. For today, there is a nearby walking/bicycling self-guided tour of some outdoor things, and there are bicycles at the Air B&B, which we spent 20 minutes yesterday adjusting the shifters and brakes of. One of the bikes is totally not ridable, but another is okay. It's an upright, so I was concerned about how well I do on an upright.

Turned out it was sort of okay. I rode about 5 miles total I think, maybe it was a little more. Around the river walk, stopping at various little plaques telling us about the history of Missoula. Hit the grocery store again, and stopped to ride a carousel that has kind of a nice origin story, https://carouselformissoula.com/our-story/. My wrists were okay, my neck only hurts a little, my lower back is feeling it, and my crotch is sore. Last time I rode an upright, my wrists hurt a lot and so did my neck, and I didn't ride long enough for the other things to be a problem. Still, going to stick with the recumbent when I get home. Good to know that at least short rides are possible on an upright.



The mine entrance and its sign

An old weathered sign with words chiseled into wooden boards which says '1890 Copper mine. Enjoy this feature. Please respect our history. Leave as you found it.' On lichen covered rocks. Entrance to a mine; a deep dark hole down in lichen covered rocks. It's about 3 feet wide and 4 feet high. You can see in about 20 feet before it gets too dark.


There are benches on the way up to the "M" which has been funded by donations and so have plaques commemorating whoever they wanted to donate on behalf of. I liked this one the best.

A fairly recent-construction park bench with a commemorating plaque which has a picture of a dog, and the words, 'in memory of Barkley, 2013-2024, a kind soul'. Behind it is a bit of a hillside with rocks and mostly brown grass.


The M as seen from campus, along with a bit of the original first university building from the 1890s.

In the foreground, a few people are walking on a cement path between trees and lawn. On the right is an old brick building with a clock tower. Directly ahead is a brown grassy hillside with a few trees on it, and a large white capital letter M. There are switchbacks going up the hillside with a number of people walking on them.


The carousel, and me riding it. You can't tell but I picked a "horse" which was a dragon.


An old-style carousel with gold-colored posts going through the centers of painted horses in various galloping positions, neck stretched out or bent, legs together or stretching out, horses in all colors that horses come in (white through various brown colors, and black), with fancy saddles and bridles. You can see about 10 horses. Closest to the camera there is a static print doesn't go up and down) cart pulled by a painted eagle. There is some blurring of this cart showing motion of the carousel. Rows of lights go across the arms that holds up the mechanism and up-and-down and sideways across the panels in the middle, which have painted pictures of people who are ostensibly visiting the carousel. You can't see it on this one but one of the panels had a grand opening sign. a white woman wearing glasses and a purple and black jacket smiles at the camera. Her hair is salt and pepper and the right-hand side is partially streaked with maroon dye. In the background there are carousel horses without riders. Horses have gold posts through their centers and are in various galloping positions, neck stretched out or bent, legs together or stretching out, horses in all colors that horses come in (white through various brown colors, and black), with fancy saddles and bridles.

Montana-bound

Nov. 14th, 2025 09:29 pm
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I am going on an extremely random trip. Ken is going to a conference at the University of Montana in Missoula. My cousin lives in Bozeman. So I'm going to go see her!

The weather is not going to be great. Originally I had thought I would drive to her house, but that was before I learned that the Continental Divide is between Missoula in Bozeman, and sometimes it snows in the pass. NOAA says "chance of snow", but I'm going to have some dorky rental car, and I don't really want to get stuck in the snow. My cousin says that they don't require chains for passenger cars, but I'm concerned that "they would've been a good idea". So we are going to meet in Butte.

Butte is an old mining town (there's a folk song about it (well, mining in general) by Judy Fjell, with the refrain, "scattered ashes in the sky, and scars on the ground"), and there is a mining museum that is unfortunately closed the days I can go. Despite the ecological impact of mining, it sounded pretty cool. So we might end up at the local branch of the University of Montana's geology museum, where the pictures look nice of various mineral displays, and maybe the actual museum will also be nice. I like rocks.

We're leaving tomorrow, and Ken and I will figure something out to do in Missoula Sunday. 20% chance of rain, so maybe we will go hiking. There's an abandoned mine in the hills of Missoula which is a not very strenuous hike (I am not a strenuous hiker, especially when I don't get to bring hiking poles because you can't put them in your carry-on), and maybe we will saunter up to it and take a look, but not go very far in. It seems like, from the pictures, that you could in fact go in. Also, we have discovered that there are Hot Springs. Maybe we will have a soak.

Or, maybe we will just be hanging out in the Denver airport waiting for air traffic control. Shouldn't that be done by now? It's really not clear.

We return home Wednesday late. Unless we spend another day in the Denver airport.

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